1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Tonight on Unidentified. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 I don't know where this object drops out from the sky, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 zipped off the crevice beam. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 It was the sighting that stunned the world. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,000 We were all clamoring to get on the radio. 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 What the f*** is that? 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Unidentified objects captured on video by US Navy pilots. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Somebody has mastered aeronautical technologies 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 that are far superior to anything we possess. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Now a new development, possibly more troubling than the objects themselves, 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 is their conspiracy to hide the truth. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 He comes in, asks for the hard drives that were on that plate. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Doesn't it seem odd to you that the Air Force hasn't spoken up? 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Does the trail lead to America's most secret base? 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 We created UFOs out of here at the one. 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Are these UFOs made in the USA, or are they truly unidentified? 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 This is a flight safety issue or a potential. 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000 If we're going to face a flight safety issue or a potential threat to national security, 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 then we need to know about it. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Everything we know about UFOs is changing. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Thanks to a team led by former Pentagon UFO investigator, Luella Zonda. 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 That is real, whatever that is. 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 And former top intelligence official Chris Mellon. 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 This is a current continuing phenomenon. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 It's happening. It continues to happen. 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:35,000 They discovered five unique characteristics that UFOs have in common, called the five observables. 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,000 They also released groundbreaking videos 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:46,000 that forced the Navy to emit its pilots becoming face-to-face with unidentified objects. 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 The US Navy made a shocking admission today. 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Strange flying objects caught on tape by their own fighter pilots, or in fact, UFOs. 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Now a new wave of military witnesses is coming out of the shadows. 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 I've never seen anything move like that. 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Shape, size, speed, it's clearly unidentified. 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,000 The team is united on a new mission. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Connect the dots to reveal the truth about UFOs. 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,000 This thing had no capability, like anything on Earth. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 And warned the world about the dangers they might represent. 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Carl Sagan once famously said, 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 He was absolutely right. 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 But now we have the proof. 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,000 The US Air Force is being violated. 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,000 The US Air Force is being violated. 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000 The US Air Force is being violated. 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Lou Elizondo and the team have been haunted by what Navy pilots encountered over the Pacific in 2004 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,000 and over the Atlantic in 2015. 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:57,000 US airspace is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin with advanced capabilities. 48 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,000 The objects were captured on video that Tom DeLong was determined to show the world. 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 I was like, there's three videos coming. 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,000 The first three videos of UFOs to be declassified in US history. 51 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,000 The first video was taken by pilots from the USS Nimitz who chased down the tic-tac shape object. 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 It's white, it has no wings, it has no rotors. 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Maybe 40 feet. 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Large enough to scare the enemy. 55 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:30,000 The other two videos were believed to be recorded in 2015 over the Atlantic by stunned pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt. 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,000 There's a whole fleet of them, look on the assay. 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 My God. 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Elizondo and his partners are still grappling with the implications of what these Navy pilots saw. 59 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 This is an evolving story. 60 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Story, I think we realize now that the USS Nimitz incident may be actually far more comprehensive than any one of us initially thought. 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,000 There's been some whispers now for the last six months that other individuals in the Navy on board the vessels 62 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,000 and possibly other aircraft actually saw the tic-tac with their own eyes. 63 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 I want to get to the bottom of it. 64 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,000 One of those individuals is now coming forward. 65 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Omar Lara was an enlisted sailor who worked on the Nimitz's aviation fuel systems. 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Jets would come in, park. 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,000 We'd fuel them up, they'll disembark. 68 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:38,000 In November 2004, the Nimitz led a carrier strike group on a training exercise off the Southern California coast that included an attack submarine 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,000 and the advanced radar equipped USS Princeton. 70 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Several days after the infamous tic-tac video was taken, Lara says he was on the Nimitz deck responding to what turned out to be a false alarm of a man overboard. 71 00:04:51,000 --> 00:05:00,000 All the jets had left except for the personnel who take care of maintenance and the work centers on board the aircraft carrier. 72 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And a sailor had fallen overboard. 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:10,000 And at that time a man overboard was called and everyone needs to report in person. 74 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:21,000 So we ended up on the fan tail, starboard side, looking towards out to the vast oceans, a beautiful panoramic view. 75 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:27,000 And out of nowhere, this object drops out from the sky. 76 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 An incredible speed just plants itself right above the ocean. 77 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,000 The object itself was this white, luminescent object. 78 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:44,000 This thing did not stop or slow down up until maybe 100 feet above the waterline and it stopped on a dime. 79 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Then it zipped off to our right at incredible speed with no sonic boom. 80 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000 You had to literally move your torso. 81 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,000 A slight turn to your right to follow it. 82 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:05,000 The speed and the maneuverability of this object is nothing I've ever seen in my 10 years in the United States Navy. 83 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Mr. Lara's testimony is very important because Mr. Lara is reporting the same type of maneuvering that was described by the pilots. 84 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,000 You have Mr. Lara substantiating instantaneous acceleration. 85 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:27,000 You also have hypersonic velocities and this ability to seemingly defy gravity. 86 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 You don't have wings and you don't have any obvious means of propulsion. 87 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,000 I do not believe that what I saw was made on this planet. 88 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,000 If it wasn't made by us then you can count us off as the number one superpower. 89 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 This thing just basically made you feel smaller. 90 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 It's a paradigm changer. 91 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:58,000 But perhaps what's most striking about Lara's alleged sighting is that it was unknown until the videos were made public. 92 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 16 years after the Nimitz incident, the team investigates evidence of a cover-up. 93 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Gentlemen, great to see you all again. 94 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,000 The team is following a trail that could lead to the US military's own black projects. 95 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:21,000 This last year and a half, two years has been pretty monumental in what we've been able to collectively achieve regarding the topic. 96 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,000 You have an acknowledgement by the Department of Defense that the videos were authentic. 97 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:34,000 And you also have an acknowledgement now from the Navy that these things that are depicted in these videos are truly unidentified aerial phenomena. 98 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 We have to figure out what that is. 99 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Jim Semavan spent 25 years working as an operations officer for the CIA. 100 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000 It's a fundamental issue for the intelligence community. 101 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,000 It's a fundamental issue for the FBI for having sex, for the CIA, for the CIA. 102 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,000 For them to have that level of ignorance is astonishing. 103 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:59,000 We have irrefutable evidence of an intelligently controlled vehicle, 104 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:06,000 defying science, something operating beyond what we even thought was possible. 105 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:13,000 The Pentagon officially said that there was nothing else involving the USS Nimitz incident, nothing to see here. 106 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,000 But there is indeed more information involving the Nimitz. I think that's a big deal. 107 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 The Pentagon says it has more evidence from the Nimitz encounter, video and other data, 108 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 but won't release it because of national security concerns. 109 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,000 You still have the Department of Defense to some degree dragging their feet. 110 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Just recently they acknowledged the fact that there were more videos in their possession 111 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:42,000 and they also had some classified briefings that they were not going to release to the public. 112 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:49,000 It might be something like, okay, we have another picture of that same tic-tac at the same location, 113 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000 but from a different system. It was a classified system. 114 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,000 I think it's interesting because it shows that there's still a segment within the U.S. government 115 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,000 that is for some reason hesitant or resistant to have a conversation. 116 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,000 The team is especially interested in one branch of the armed forces. 117 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Doesn't it seem odd to you that the Air Force hasn't spoken up? I'm quite puzzled. 118 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Chris has voiced that concern as well, where the hell is the Air Force in this entire conversation. 119 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 I mean, we can only speculate while they're being quiet. 120 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Lou Elizondo has just heard testimony from a new eyewitness to the 2004 Nimitz UFO encounter. 121 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Now he's digging deeper into allegations of a military cover-up. 122 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Howdy. Hey, sir, how are you? Good, how are you? Good. I'm Lou. Nice to meet you. 123 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Thank you for allowing me to invade your house here. Anytime. 124 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Love to know a little bit about yourself. You were in the Navy. Yes, sir. It was just under 11 years. 125 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,000 I was a Navy on-exec-technician, primarily on the E-2 Hawkeye. 126 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:04,000 On November 14, 2004, F-18s from the USS Nimitz took off on a routine training exercise. 127 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,000 It was a workup cycle for our 2005 deployment. They were doing air defense exercises that day. 128 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 The planes go out and basically play a laser tag with each other. 129 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 A good guy versus a bad guy to get their training back on. 130 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Patrick Hughes' job, power up and launch an E-2 Hawkeye. The exercise is airborne quarterback, which will direct the jets maneuver. 131 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,000 We control emissions. We control pretty much everything that goes on once those planes leave the carrier deck. 132 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Shortly after the exercise began, radar technicians start tracking a strange object, prompting the now famous sequence of events. 133 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Commander Fravor and his wingman intercept the object. 134 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 But then it flies off, appearing to travel hundreds of miles in the blink of an eye. 135 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:01,000 While the E-2 Hawkeye monitors the action from afar, another F-18 captures the incredible Tic Tac video. 136 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,000 After the Hawkeye lands, Hughes could tell something wasn't right. 137 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Normally when the crew walks out of the airplane, whoever the mission commander was, will stop and let you know how the mission was. 138 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,000 But they didn't stop to talk to anybody this time. They just bolted down below. 139 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I know, thanks to talking to a crew, that the actual Tic Tac object formed up in the Hawkeye. 140 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 And the five guys in that crew all saw real close. 141 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Pleasants were very long, but they all saw it. 142 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:47,000 I was not aware that people in the Hawkeye actually had eyes down on the Tic Tac. 143 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:54,000 It begs the question that at the time when I was at E-2, why wasn't that little bit of information shared with us? 144 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Maybe it was a trust tissue. 145 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:04,000 The Hawkeyes alleged Tic Tac sighting might also have been kept secret because of the data captured by its sensors. 146 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,000 That plane, when it left the deck, was recording everything they saw on those screens. 147 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 All the information, all the button touches, basically everything they do. 148 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:20,000 And there's been some contention about that, but I know for a fact it was recording because I hit the button and I turned it off when it got back. 149 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:27,000 You specifically remember turning on that piece of equipment that day and again upon recovery turning it off. 150 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Correct. That is interesting. 151 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:34,000 The plane's recordings could contain key evidence of the Tic Tac's capabilities. 152 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,000 It sees what the Princeton saw. It saw what the Nimitz saw, it saw what some other stuff saw. 153 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 So it's recording a big picture of everything that's going on that day. 154 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Okay, interesting. 155 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:50,000 I do our post-flight checks on the airplane, make sure everything's turned off, take all our classified hard drives out, we keep them in our safe. 156 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 We don't leave those in the airplane. 157 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 And normally that's the end of it. 158 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:05,000 After I'd gotten back downstairs, my commanding officer comes to our workspace door. 159 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 But his commanding officer wasn't alone. 160 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:16,000 With them are two guys in Air Force Flight Suits. I don't remember the ranks, but there's a very big difference between a Navy Flight Suit and the Insignia in an Air Force Flight Suit. 161 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 So you were confident these were Air Force representatives? 162 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Yes, sir. 163 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:28,000 It seemed unusual to Hughes to encounter Air Force personnel who didn't identify themselves. What happened next was even stranger. 164 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 He comes in, asks for the hard drives that were on that plane. 165 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:37,000 So we go, get them out, start logging them out in our little live book, and he stops me. 166 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,000 It's like, just give them to me. 167 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000 No hand-received? 168 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Nope, nothing. 169 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:52,000 How much time transpired from the time you retrieved those hard drives off the Hawkeye until the time that the CEO's not going on your door with two Air Force people? 170 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 All in all, I'd say probably about a half hour. 171 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:07,000 The Nimitz wasn't the only ship that day from which data was taken. Chris Mellon previously heard a similar account from a radar technician on the nearby USS Princeton, which had been tracking strange objects for days before the encounter. 172 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:16,000 A helicopter arrived. People got off the helicopter. They came in and they requested all the data recording. 173 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:28,000 And right after that, I was requested to hand over all the data recording tapes and anything that wasn't recorded on during the event I was to erase. 174 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,000 How unusual was this request to destroy and erase this data? It was completely unprecedented. 175 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:46,000 While both accounts suggest a possible cover-up, Hughes's story is a first-hand account of possible Air Force involvement. But why would the Air Force confiscate Navy flight data of a UFO? 176 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:56,000 It brings this vision of the men in black showing up. There was obviously data and information that was recorded on those E2 Hawkeyes that somebody wanted. 177 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Tim McMillan is a journalist who spent months investigating the Nimitz incident. 178 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:14,000 We can assume that it was taken somewhere to be analyzed. That's the big key, because there's a significant amount of data there that should give us a lot more definitive conclusions about what this is. 179 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Now, if you consider that with the aspect that 15 years later they say it's unidentified, that makes even more intriguing. 180 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Did the Air Force remove the data because it wanted to study the unidentified object? Or were they collecting information on their own top secret creation? 181 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:41,000 It's equally possible that the Navy has no clue what it is, and it's an Air Force project that they didn't tell the Navy about. You know, the left hand does not always know what the right hand is doing. 182 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Hughes also believes there's a good reason why they would test a top secret craft on the Navy. 183 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:55,000 I have this new super technology I want to test about it. I'm going to throw it at the best we have. And the Nimitz strike group was pretty much the best we had. 184 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:02,000 I mean, somebody out there knows a lot more than we do. They may have a very, very good reason for not sharing it. 185 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:25,000 When I was in the Pentagon, we only had a small shot in time of what we referred to as a Nimitz incident. But now more and more people are feeling enjoined to come forward and say it wasn't just the four pilots or a blip on a screen. 186 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,000 And I saw something strange. 187 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Lou Elizondo has just heard from a former U.S. Navy crewman who says two mysterious Air Force officers showed up on the USS Nimitz after its famous Tic Tac UFO encounter and confiscated flight data that could prove its existence. 188 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:51,000 The explosive theory, Air Force officers wanted to see how the Tic Tac performed because the Tic Tac was actually a top secret Air Force craft. 189 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Following that lead, Elizondo speaks with a man who worked at the most secretive Air Force facility of all. 190 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Hello, sir. Mr. Barnes. 191 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Yes, how are you doing today? 192 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:09,000 T.D. Barnes is a former CIA engineer who spent most of his career working on classified technology, often at Area 51. 193 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Sixty years later, Barnes is willing to speak for the first time on camera about the electronic warfare systems he created and their possible connection to the Nimitz event. 194 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:28,000 I think Nimitz is interesting because so many people saw the same thing that whether or not it was a real event, I think that's beyond question. 195 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 The question is what was it? 196 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:38,000 And if it was some sort of electronic warfare capability, fine, but then that information didn't get to the right people. 197 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,000 If they actually saw something, that's a different ballgame. 198 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:48,000 If it just, electronically, we could play games, but your actual vision, you know, who knows. 199 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,000 But you know, that's something, of course, we created UFOs out of Area 51. 200 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000 We call them a technology demonstrator or proof of concept. 201 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000 One of the programs Barnes worked on was called Project Palladium. 202 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:10,000 The Cold War technology used electronic signals to trick the Soviets into seeing whole squadrons that weren't there. 203 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 They'd make them turn on the radar. 204 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:19,000 And then we would electronically answer it, make them think they're tracking one plane, two planes, ten planes. 205 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,000 We should do anything we wanted to go to the plane. We did it all the time. 206 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000 To Elizondo, this sounds eerily familiar. 207 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Radar operator Kevin Day previously told Elizondo he tracked a group of strange aircraft in the days leading up to the Nimitz event. 208 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,000 I started noticing these anomalous contacts on the radar. 209 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 There was like 10 or 12 objects. 210 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,000 And it was kind of watching them on display. It was like watching the snow fall in the sky. 211 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,000 The objects were seen on Day's radar, but seemingly nowhere else. 212 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,000 So I just kind of monitored, I watched them and I was wondering, how come no one's seeing these things? 213 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Could what day saw be phantoms caused by radar spoofing technology? 214 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,000 And what accounts for the Tic Tac object seen by Nimitz pilots up close? 215 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,000 It released a bunch of balloons with different sized metallic spheres in it. 216 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Palladium used metallic balloons to reflect radar signals. 217 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:20,000 A lot of people assumed it was UFO and they were reported as UFO. 218 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,000 And that happened an awful lot. 219 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:31,000 I'm kind of curious from your perspective, going back to the Tic Tac and these balloons as I were part of Palladium, 220 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:38,000 is it possible that the balloons, not only were you testing different sized balloons, but maybe even different shapes of balloons? 221 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 I wouldn't be surprised on that. 222 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,000 That's fascinating. So from your perspective, 223 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:50,000 the incident that occurred here in 2004 may be some sort of U.S. technology. 224 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Yeah, even then we could and you can only imagine what you do now. 225 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 This raises a troubling question. 226 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Would the Air Force test top secret technology on Navy pilots without their knowledge? 227 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And the way these things work, no one but maybe the Cassin, those shipwrecks, no one got it. 228 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 The pilots would never know what the test was. 229 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,000 We call them drivers. They had no idea what the results were, what they were thinking to do. 230 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Right. Nothing. Unless you had a need to know, you weren't in the loop. 231 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:26,000 One theory is what the Nimitz pilot saw was related to a 21st century version of what TD Barnes developed for the Air Force. 232 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Tim McMillan spent months investigating if any known technologies might explain the Tic Tac. 233 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Early 2000, FORGE funding has jumped up. Technologies are being boosted. 234 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:46,000 A lot of the older subs were being retrofitted, whether some of the missile tubes are being altered to launch drones. 235 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,000 A submarine launched drone could potentially explain another detail from the Nimitz sighting. 236 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,000 One of the fascinating things with the 2004 incident was this frothy white wash. 237 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,000 The pilots who first encountered the Tic Tac reported seeing it hovering over disturbance in the ocean. 238 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:08,000 We all very quickly realized that there was something in the water churning, like boiling. 239 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:19,000 One of my theories was that a submarine that surfaced launched something and was re-submerging. 240 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:27,000 McMillan believes he found enticing clues to the Tic Tac's possible origins, but nothing that can explain its incredible flight characteristics. 241 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:33,000 And what about the objects caught on tape by pilots from the USS Roosevelt ten years later? 242 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:40,000 McMillan thinks those sightings could be related to a more recent program known as Nemesis. 243 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Nemesis is a fascinating technology. We know exist very similar to Palladium. 244 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:55,000 They're injecting multiple false targets. And the idea is that you've got one plane, we want to make it look like 50, 245 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000 in hopes that they're not going to pick out the right one. 246 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Nemesis was originally developed by the Navy and uses swarms of drones that emit signals to fool enemy radar. 247 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:16,000 There's some very close time frames in terms of when the Nemesis system was being tested and when these pilots, 248 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 during the Roosevelt encounter, said that they observed the objects. 249 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Could this technology, or a similar system, account for what F-18 pilots from the USS Roosevelt say they witnessed on their target tracking screens? 250 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 But what about the objects other pilots reported seeing up close? 251 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:44,000 It was basically a cube inside of a sphere where the points of the cube were touching outside of the sphere. 252 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000 McMillan believes the cubes might have a simple explanation. 253 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:57,000 In the few visual observations, the least I'm aware of, with the cubes inside of a sphere type thing, that sounds consistent with the radar reflectors. 254 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,000 But Chris Mellon believes few, if any, of these sightings can be explained by current U.S. technology. 255 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:10,000 I've been out of the Defense Department for quite a while. Electronic warfare was old then. It's even older now. 256 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:24,000 It's a never-ending game of cat and mouse. However, it's not an explanation for what happened in the Nimitz incident or what was happening in 2015 off the East Coast. 257 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,000 That's what we need to remind people. It has very little to do with the UAP phenomenon. 258 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:42,000 And for Mellon, the Navy's public statement that pilots are encountering unidentified aerial phenomenon is proof positive that what they're seeing is not U.S. technology from the Air Force or anyone else. 259 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 It's really a stretch for people to try to suggest these incidents. 260 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:56,000 It could be explained by some secret program that was being used against our own people behind the backs of Congress who were briefed for all these programs. 261 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:06,000 The military wouldn't be going up to Capitol Hill saying publicly these are not ours if in fact it was an electronic warfare program. That wouldn't be happening. 262 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:12,000 But even if Navy personnel were guinea pigs in the top secret test, what can explain this next sighting? 263 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Louis Elizondo has uncovered information that the UFO seen by the Nimitz pilots could be related to U.S. Air Force tests, but not everyone believes it. 264 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:33,000 He's been contacted by a new witness about an incident involving a military helicopter. 265 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:49,000 I have been an investigator for the DOD for 20 years. The entirety of my career has been as an investigator with the goal of attempting to discern foreign threats to our equities. 266 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:59,000 This Defense Department investigator asked to have his identity protected. He says he personally investigated the UFO encounter. 267 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Around 2013-2014 there were two helicopters conducting maneuvers in the southeast. The pilots were test pilots. They were conducting some pretty stressful maneuvers. 268 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,000 He won't reveal the exact location of the incident. 269 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:28,000 It was really in a corridor you could say from northern Tennessee, southern Kentucky, southern Alabama, and then out east towards around the middle of Georgia. 270 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:38,000 I know that that's a large swath of territory, but again we're talking about helicopters which can cover a large swath of territory when they're training. 271 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,000 The pilots were testing brand new attack helicopters when one witnessed something unexplained. 272 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:58,000 It's broad daylight. What happens is one of the pilots looks out the right side of their aircraft and they notice three glowing orbs that are in a triangular formation just within the vicinity of the aircraft. 273 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:12,000 These orbs maintained the same altitude, the same speed with the helicopter. Then it really started to get interesting because as the pilot is conducting the maneuvers to put this brand new helicopter under its stress test, 274 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:22,000 he experiences a power fluctuation and when he experiences this power fluctuation, he starts to descend rapidly, which we would call a total failure. 275 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:30,000 The pilot looked over to the right side again, noticed these three orbs descending with the helicopter. 276 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:39,000 And then all of a sudden the helicopter starts going into an uncontrolled descent at which point he grabs the stick, works up, and these orbs are gone. 277 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:52,000 He associated those lights as being somehow correlated to the event that occurred and then only when those things were gone did the helicopter behave normally. Is that correct? 278 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000 That was the conclusion he came to in the interview. 279 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Elizondo says it's also not the first time he's heard of unidentified objects exhibiting this behavior. 280 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:12,000 From personal experience, I'm aware of the relevance that some of these UAP have regarding our national security assets and equities. 281 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to go into a whole lot of detail on that, but what I can say is that this is nothing new and I'm not surprised at all to hear that there was three points of light that seemed to be flying in a consistent formation and pattern. 282 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:40,000 The investigator says he reported it to his superiors and a committee was formed to dig further. 283 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:48,000 He says they uncovered at least seven other similar incidents involving helicopters and orbs, but he was shocked at their conclusion. 284 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:57,000 The committee discussed the results of us looking into this and basically coming forward with seven or eight other incidents. Everybody just kind of scratched their heads and was like, well, we don't know what it is. 285 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 We're not in a position to figure it out and then that was that. 286 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:16,000 After this event occurred, you learned that there was actually other reports of similar type activity occurring perhaps seven or eight other times to the point where they actually established a committee, an internal committee to try to figure this out. 287 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:24,000 And holding when they didn't have any answers, did they wind up scratching their head, closing the books and say, well, nothing to see here, folks. 288 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:32,000 That was part of the strangeness of the consensus was like, all right, we don't know what it is. All right, make it know maybe somebody will pay attention at some point. 289 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000 But if we have no data points coming in, then we're just spinning our wheels. 290 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Why wouldn't the military keep probing? 291 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000 Were they hiding another test of a top secret electronic countermeasure? 292 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:49,000 Or is it evidence of an unknown technology the government doesn't want to acknowledge because it doesn't understand it? 293 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:57,000 You now have pilots flying helicopters and now coming into contact with these, we'll call them orbs, if you will. 294 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:03,000 And all of a sudden now there's a correlation between these orbs and equipment failure. 295 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 You could have an issue where you potentially could collide with one of these things. 296 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:19,000 There is something occurring. There are transgressions of restricted military airspace and of U.S. borders that are going on that our own military has acknowledged publicly. 297 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,000 They wouldn't be saying that if they owned the very programs that were causing those sightings. 298 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:37,000 In the wake of reports that the Pentagon may have covered up UFO sightings by the U.S. Navy and didn't pursue reports of orbs seen from a U.S. Army helicopter, 299 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Lou Elizondo gets guidance from a man he trusts, a man who's been seeking the truth about what the government knows about UFOs for years. 300 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Colonel John Alexander was a godfather of everything spooky and weird at the Pentagon. 301 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Great to see you, my friend. How are you? 302 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:59,000 John Alexander ran a lot of the programs that the U.S. government pretended like we didn't have. 303 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:05,000 John, thank you very much for allowing me to come into your home. This is for me a great honor and privilege. 304 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:12,000 First and foremost, you're a legend. I knew about you, whether you knew it or not, a long time ago. 305 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000 I knew a little bit about your, how shall we say, adventures. 306 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Adventures, yes. 307 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000 In the 1980s, Alexander studied the paranormal for the U.S. military. 308 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000 What was the name of your program at the time? 309 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Oh, we called it Intentionally Advanced Theoretical Physics. 310 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:36,000 And we did that because the FOIA at that time was just becoming a hot issue. 311 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:45,000 And we figured that people may ask for UFO data, but they're not likely to ask for data on advanced theoretical physics. 312 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:56,000 So John, is there any advice you can give me as to where I should go from here, what I should do, and potentially what I need to watch out for? 313 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Well, I think you've probably stepped on many of the minds already. In fact, the reason that you're in the civilian sector is part of that. 314 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Very true. 315 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:19,000 The biggest thing that has to happen and is happening, and I think your key piece of this, is getting information and making it acceptable in the civilian sector. 316 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 That's what they're really afraid of. 317 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000 I do suspect you're going to get blowback. 318 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:33,000 There are going to be people who come in and say, you know, these are just aerial phenomena that are explainable. 319 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:42,000 But when you get done with all of the cases, you end up with a core set that simply cannot be explained by any traditional means. 320 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:53,000 We're moving away from the allegory of tinfoil hats and, you know, Elvis on the mothership to no kidding, there's something there. These things are real. 321 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Elizondo questions why the military still won't release everything it knows. 322 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:10,000 We don't like things we can't explain. And that's one of the reasons for classifying some of the stuff. You don't want to be potentially embarrassed. 323 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:21,000 We have, as you know, hundreds, thousands of these kinds of incidents that have been recorded. It's much easier to just discard the data. 324 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 And unfortunately, terrible thing that we have done that for decades. 325 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Some experts claim that the military isn't covering up information about UFOs, but is actually feeding the UFO myth to hide secret programs. 326 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:50,000 If you've got an aerial platform that is highly advanced and the public who happens to get a glimpse of the thing from time to time, if they're convinced that it's from Venus and there's no way it could be our military, well, hey, you know, that's awesome. Hell yes. 327 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Walter Bosley was an agent with the Air Force's secretive office of special investigations. 328 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:04,000 If I'm the agent running the protection for that particular program and that's helping me cover something for years, I might even feed the fire. 329 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Bill Scott is a former Air Force Flight Test Engineer and editor at Aviation Week Magazine. He claims a high-ranking officer at Area 51 admitted to him how the military used the media to spread disinformation about UFOs. 330 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:34,000 Some of the people that I would approach would give me clues. One of the more intriguing responses I got was, well, if you really want to know what's going on, read the rags at the supermarket checkout. 331 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000 I like the Enquirer and the Globe and all these things. I said, you got to be kidding me. 332 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:52,000 He said, when you see a picture of Bill Clinton standing there in front of one of these black airplanes with his arm around the alien being, he said, forget what's in front and look what's behind. 333 00:33:52,000 --> 00:34:04,000 I said, come on. So what you're really telling me is that in order to hide real, highly classified stuff, is that you basically paint it with the UFO brush. 334 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And I said, why would you do that? And he said, to keep people like you from looking any farther. I said, Doc, come on, does it really work? He said, it worked for 50 years. Why would we change now? 335 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:25,000 For decades, the National Enquirer and Weekly World News were published by Genaroso Pope Jr., who pushed the paper's sensational stories about UFOs and aliens. 336 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Pope's job just before taking over? Psychological warfare officer for the CIA. 337 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Author Mark Pilkington believes the Nimitz and Roosevelt cases are part of this long history of media manipulation. 338 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:54,000 It's about perception management. The technologies exist that may not explain precisely what we're seeing, but are analogous to the things that are seen. 339 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:07,000 The Nemesis combines swarms of drones with complex multi-system countermeasures that are simultaneously operating against aircraft, satellite systems, ship-based systems. 340 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Certainly these would have been something that was outside the sphere of familiarity for the pilots involved and could certainly have led to confusion. 341 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Elizondo doubts evidence of the Tic-Tac is part of a disinformation campaign meant to cover up a classified program. 342 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Could the Nimitz incident and other UAP-related incidents possibly involve some sort of super-secret U.S. technology? 343 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,000 Is it possible? It's absolutely possible. Is it plausible? No, it's not plausible. 344 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:55,000 And the reason why I say that is because at the time I had one of the highest levels of security clearance in the U.S. government, and I was briefing people who were read on to just about anything and everything in the U.S. government. 345 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:12,000 There's no reason to believe that the Air Force is today seeking to promote confusion between UAPs and classified Air Force programs or using the UAP phenomenon as a cover for Air Force programs. 346 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Lua Elizondo has been investigating what the military might be hiding about recent UFO encounters. Could the objects be Air Force top-secret craft tested unwittingly on other branches of the military? Or is the truth more fantastic? 347 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:46,000 This is something that we need to figure out. If this is a flight safety issue or a potential, an outlier reiterate potential threat to national security, then we need to know about it. 348 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,000 The team reconvenes in the hopes of putting together the pieces of the puzzle. 349 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000 So, gents, I appreciate you guys taking a few moments to sit with me this afternoon. 350 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:02,000 They begin by discussing whether these unidentified objects could be explained by radar spoofing technology. 351 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:13,000 There's always been effort since time began and man has been at war to deceive the enemy. And there are all sorts of ways to deceive the enemy. Back in World War II, we had light deception. 352 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:23,000 You had something called window, which we now know is chaff to screw up radars. It just filled radars with images. 353 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:37,000 I think when we come up with programs to deceive the enemy and they come up with programs to deceive us, it's usually in one particular domain. So it's to spoof radar or it's to trick this or to trick that. 354 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Since we attack sensors kind of one at a time, when you have a multi-spectral confirmation, radar, infrared, visual, the odds of something spoofing the same in all those domains is pretty much the same. 355 00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:04,000 Radar spoofing doesn't give you a visual. Radar just displays on your console. It doesn't create anything out the cockpit. You wouldn't see that. You wouldn't see that. There wouldn't be a tic-tac out there flying around. 356 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:14,000 The team doesn't believe the objects are related to radar spoofing. But could they be some other advanced technology being tested by the Air Force on Navy pilots? 357 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:30,000 If you're talking about conducting tests with a carrier battlegroup, you're not blindsiding the commander of the carrier battlegroup. There's multi-million dollar aircraft and safety and lives at stake. You're not using these people like guinea pigs. 358 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:43,000 You don't want to test something super classified in front of a bunch of people that are not read onto a program and all of a sudden are now talking about this thing in the open saying what the hell is that? I mean that's not a great way to keep a secret. 359 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:49,000 Correct. All those radar operators going talking about what happened. That's not what you'd want if you were trying to protect that capability. 360 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:55,000 If the objects aren't top secret technology the government wants to keep hitting, then what are they? 361 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:11,000 If we ask ourselves if someone else has made a fundamental, radical, technological breakthrough, how would that appear to us? What might that look like? It would look like magic. It would look like magic to us. 362 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:33,000 It is baffling to a degree that is almost magical. How could you possibly have a sphere-safe object with a cube inside that goes at supersonic speeds, can loiter all day, or a tic-tac that could descend from 80,000 feet to 50 feet and then shoot off at insane speeds that would tear apart anything that ever built by man. 363 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000 It's magic. It's magic. 364 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:49,000 And then come to a complete hover. Right? And so what we're seeing really looks a lot like what you might expect to see if somebody had had a fundamental breakthrough, the leapfrog that's far, far ahead of anything that we've devised. 365 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:59,000 The team believes the mounting evidence proves these incidents are not U.S. military tests and are possibly something altogether extraordinary. 366 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:14,000 We're very confident these are not some form of experimental U.S. aircraft because of the position the Navy's taking, but also the fact that these vehicles are operating in such close proximity to Navy fighters and carrier battle groups. 367 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:27,000 There is a profound mystery here. Are we alone in the universe? And we may be the first generation in the history of our species that can answer this question and do so definitively. 368 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:35,000 And getting the answer to this mystery motivates me to no end. Whatever it takes to try to answer that question. 369 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:47,000 We always want to have a nice neat little bow on things and say, well, it's got to be then extraterrestrial. But, you know, there's a lot of other options. It could actually be a combination of both U.S. and adversarial. 370 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:55,000 It could be that it's extraterrestrial. There's an entire universe of physics that we're just now beginning to unlock and understand. 371 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Maybe there's options that we've never even considered before simply because we don't have the technology or the science yet or the understanding to even ask the right question.